On Becoming Invaluable

I can see a discussion unfolding here that ripples through the fractal structures of the wider ecosystem. It would be wonderful for these tensions to find a beautiful space for questions to be developed and solutions to emerge. I don’t agree with the premise that we need to look how we can be invaluable. A resilient system is only possible when if a part shuts down another part can compensate that and grow further. This is build into nature and the power of fractal structures. Of course we can think and sense about the “why”! Why? Why not? We manifest ourselves in existence as a wave. We might roll back or roll into a next wave. Both outcomes are equally valid. I hereby make myself at service to sense into the core of this more so we can all make sense of it and honor eachothers view points.

@mbh66 @Melanie during our proposal sensing talk yesterday I captured both your requests for slowing down in our movements. I absolutely love the tendency of slowing down without denying the reality of momentum. In the final design of the RE proposal (so we can create the primary flows to reward all of you), I defended to not include part 4 (incubation) at this point. One of the reasonings behind this is creating the space and possibility for the both of you to facilitate sensing and sense making about the incubation part of RE that I still would love to see. I hope I was not too assumptious in my reasonings. I wanna be available to unpack this. I prefer the ability to have a direct conversation.

In honor to All of You


Thanks for this @Daya. I will create time to support the work on part 4 and also feel that the momentum for the other parts should not slow down.

And also thank you for reminding me that everything in nature has a rhythm and it’s time to grow and also to decline again when it has done it’s job. Nothing is forever (and shouldn’t be).


Good point, DaYa - perhaps a better word would have been “relevant.” In a natural ecosystem, species which are no longer relevant to the proper functioning of the entire ecosystem eventually fade away. Either way, SEEDS (the entire ecosystem) is a fractal of another behemoth of a system. My tension lies in ensuring the relevancy of SEEDS, underpinned by Seeds, within this larger ecosystem.

I’m immensely grateful that you see value in continuing the exploration. :pray:

Not at all, I think that slowing down Part 4 is a really valuable outcome, thank you. And I too prefer a direct conversation. Unless anyone else volunteers, I will facilitate this by preparing discussion points over the weekend. Perhaps we can start considering discussion points and a suitable time from Monday 12th.


@mbh66 Michael,
again thank you for sharing your perspectives, for raising your voice and for being an invaluable contribution to the RE and the SEEDS ecocystem as a whole! :pray:t3:

What you state as being “the central problem” in SEEDS is one perspective. Stemming from that, you come up with a super interesting “raison d’être” that -as I said during our Storytelling Session- I would very much get behind…as a different project.
This is not the raison d’être (or the purpose :upside_down_face:) of the Renaissance Explorers, though.

I understand communication around RE hasn’t been awesome lately (we were still aligning in the Core :slight_smile: ) and that the Codex isn’t super developped yet (our first meeting on that is today! :heart: ) but our purpose and mission has been from the beginning:

“To co-learn, inspire, experiment, explore future possibilities, propose and respond to changes within the SEEDS ecosystem. To effectively do this, we must have a deep awareness of the game itself by exploring the depths of this game and learning about it together. Our purpose is to make SEEDS and its Game Guide more accessible for every willing player, by decentralizing wisdom and knowledge.
The most important fruit of this purpose is being of service to the Regenerative Renaissance by having people become stewards who understand how to respond, interact and evolve the game of SEEDS.”

It is very much aligned with @Rieki 's super complete answer which also brings a bit more clarity on different organisms along the SEEDS ecosystem that may be helpful for newer -and older- SEEDS eyes :slight_smile:

Michael, I believe what you see as the central problem right now is an amazing opportunity! You see it and lots of us also do, let’s get together and come up with ways of answering to that! @Melanie proposes some awesome ideas as to how to go about doing it, IMO :pray:t3:

I also agree with @DaYa 's premisse that being or becoming invaluable is not an objective, nor desirable IMO, as the resiliency of the system would be impacted if it were the case.


Thank you for your perspective, Ana, and thank you for quoting from the Codex, specifically this section:

Ironically it is this very sentence which is at the root of my tension. If I may, this is how I interpreted it:

The most important fruit of this purpose is being of service to the Regenerative Renaissance. We do this by having people who understand how to respond to the game played by the rules of the dominant monetary system. With this deep understanding, we interact with and evolve the game of SEEDS. In this way, we align with the wider SEEDS mission, which is to become a more relevant monetary game than the current game.

Here is my core tension: unless we understand what is happening outside of SEEDS, we operate in a bubble. When we are disconnected, we run the risk of becoming irrelevant.

Anyway, I am happy that there is a subset of people who recognise the need for this kind of conversation. I sense a reluctance to include the conversations in RE. As our incubation develops, we will hopefully find the correct home for them.

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Thank you Michael for bringing up your tension. I can see your view point clearly and share your core tension. I tried to summarise what I am observing in this thread with an idea for a proposal to take a step back and apply and outside-in view, opposed to an internal process perspective, which I believe speaks to ‘we operate in a bubble’.

In the last outer space gathering the complexity of our challenge showed up several times through various energies. ‘Complexity is sometimes randomness’ - I forgot who said it first but it speaks to me when I think of our mission to drive the Game Guide Evolution. For me this tension is closely aligned with the tension you stated as well with the tension @Melanie shared with us when she said that she feels a foundation is missing. I wholeheartedly agree. :revolving_hearts:

IMO a structural framework is something that could help us going forward. I tried to outline what appeared for me as a first attempt for such a framework. I hope this adds some value to the conversation in one way or another. Go well :green_heart:

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Yes Michael. Just today i was in the Regenerative Pollination call from GRC and i meet with Brian from Climate Foundation and others, was very good… one of my ideas its to connect and gathering many of this organizations be part of this project together, raise names and strong weight to create a great presentation for SEEDS envision to get the Value IN you mention with ESG… its a opportunity for both as im listening you say and i would be glad to help make connections and understanding more to see who and how i can help.


Thank you @mbh66 and everyone for raising these points once more.

I very much agree with

When looking at the wider SEEDS ecosystem, the central problem is:

How do we reward people who step up before our currency is widely accepted?

which is one reason people don’t just do what they feel is needed to be done.
The other seems to be taking on self-sovereignty to drive things without needing approval of others.
Which oddly leads to people trying to implement their own purposes into existing purposes rather then fulfilling it as and on their own initiative.

Which leads me to your great vision @mbh66:
I for one still don’t understand how we as SEEDS can help outsource corporates ESG commitments to local communities. Does that require new things to be implemented into SEEDS? Make Seeds an accepted currency in at least one country?
If SEEDS has already everything from a technical point of view I don’t know how SEEDS can commit to the narrative accept for someone ( e.g. you Michael) creating that narrative and putting it out.
E.g. a Corporate SEEDS Consulting DHO would be great to bring big business to the table.

But I also don’t see that being the main job of RE as a whole… it’s one thing we can do. We can make it an Exploration Group in the RE and who ever feels called to do it can join.
For this it is good to have a clear outline of what this EG is here to do and who is carrying that purpose.

Which brings us back to the first point:
If anyone thinks something needs to be done they can potentially do it. Granted again that the SEEDS ecosystem right now is not very supportive in that but the movements towards splitting the Milestones as well as the RE Campaign Proposal are steps towards empowering people (at least financially) to bring and create what they think to be important for the regenerative movement.

For some that might be the monetary system, for others it might be the social and cultural systems, for others the governance system etc.
Whichever focus one deems most important, the RE hopefully will enable people to also put focus in their action there.

So that it is not RE that is invaluable but each individual feels valuable and we all become valuably redundant parts of the SEEDS Ecosystem.


Hi Michael
Are you talking about the call with Diana, Jedi and myself?

Thanks for your thoughtful feedback, Max.

My initial space of tension came from a disconnect between the conversations that took place in each call I’ve attended and the (what feels like for me anyway) burning need to be able to cater for corporates. What I’m realising is that this is still a very small focus and that a small group of us should come together to make it a bigger focus. That effort is kicking of very soon, so there is nothing more for SEEDS to do.

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Yip, although she was not in any way trying to put us on the spot (she was very supportive) I still felt very uncomfortable about how far we have to progress to even come close to being appealing to her interests.

@mbh66 when do you feel you are at a point with the pre work you are doing (the article you mention and the calls you are currently doing) where we can kick of this group and start working? I am on holidays and traveling so I am not the best person to coordinate this within the next two weeks. I can offer to set up a call in the last week of Juli or beginning of August. If it needs to be earlier just suggest a date, time and link and if I am able to join I‘ll be there or I will listen to the recording. I can hold the space for this from August onwards if you are interested in bringing your content and wisdom into the space. I feel a weekly call starting with a small group that designs and implements/ tests a blueprint respectively a MPV could be a helpful next step.

Or do you have another way to go in mind?
My feeling is the date we are working to should be COP26 https://ukcop26.org/

My hypothesis is:
If we are able to create a real value based, regenerative gate (aka DHO) that stewards the current available money flow for climate related projects in a wise way we into SEEDS we have been able to set an important signal for a regenerative economy.

My second hypothesis is:
Within SEEDS we have already all the tools and the people to create and implement a blueprint/prototype.

I have the energy, courage and the curiosity to test these assumptions.

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Great question, Melanie.
I’m experiencing high levels of frustration with myself because I’ve not yet finished Section 1 of my book. It’s about 30 pages and this section lays the important historical context for the discussions we’re having here. I sense this is a crucial framework within which to consider COP26 (a very, very key date) and what happens next. That’s because these events need to be considered within the context of the rise and fall of civilisations.

I hope to have this finished by the end of this week. If we allow ourselves a week to read and possibly discuss this context, that aligns nicely with the timing you have suggested for calls i.e. late July/early August.

In the meantime, I attach here a document which is very valuable background, because it examines the patterns between collapsing civilisations. There are many such books, but this one does it very well in just 25 pages. I have highlighted the sections of interest to us: Fate of Empires by John Glubb.

Hope this helps in the meantime, and thanks for the prompt! :pray: :grin:


Thanks @mbh66

I fully agree. History can tell us a lot. And…
…for me there seems to be something different this time. Or maybe it was always there and we do not read much about it.

What seems to be different is

  • All tools for a soft transformation are there
  • We are much better connected than ever before and also willing and open to share our wisdom
  • There are more people who care about the whole. One could also describe it with: there are more conscious people
  • we better understand the circle of life - which in my view includes also corporates and structures of countries (nations), meaning everything needs to transform at some point in time. Some still fight agains this universal law, and still there are many people who have understood this. This why a soft transformation is still possible.

Thanks for the document I will read it to better understand where you come from and for preparing to read your book.

As soon as you are ready let‘s plan the next steps


@mbh66 : could you do me a favour and name the areas? Just bullet points are enough. I can have som additional thoughts on how to solve the tensions and build the bridge to their way of thinking

Spot on! There are two things that I believe make things very, very different this time:

  • Each of the previous civilisations (32 so far) have left something behind, upon which the next civilisations built their foundations. If you consider each civilisation as 1 year of human life, that ‘human’ is now 32 years old. Most people would consider 32 years old as being an adult. In other words, our species is turning 32 years old in ‘civilisation’ years (like dog years, but much longer).
  • Elisabet Sahtouris is a brilliant thinker when it comes to the evolution of species. I had the great privilege of getting to know over 4 years, including a week sharing a house with her in San Francisco in 2018. I learnt a lot from her. She has a great TEDx talk which explains that immature species compete and mature species collaborate. The emerging civilisation is now mature enough to build their foundation on collaboration.

Here’s her talk:

You can find my favourite pieces of her work in a Roam Research Collection.

Unfortunately not, because it’s more about the language used than a bullet point list. The language we use in SEEDS is ‘spiritual,’ which I love. Unfortunately that doesn’t gel with corporates. They immediately jump to the conclusion that we’re a bunch of do-good hippies. First impressions matter, so if we are to do a SEEDS Corporate, we will have to carefully rethink the language used.

I know that doesn’t answer your question, but I hope it helps.

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It does - I feel I know what you mean. I have trained myself for years now to bridge the languages because I am not willing to give up words like “Mystic” “mindful” and also the word “spiritual” as such. They corporates also need to learn that there is something “magic” out there.

My experience is that longer sentences and a lot of images help. And I also learned that it helps to address this tension and give some definition to the words I do not want to hide anymore.


I agree with this about the use of ‘spiritual’ language. I have to say I am a bit over this whole sort of vocabulary, having been immersed in it for many years now, and finding it rather vacuous at times. Plus I have been very disappointed with the whole QAnon-Conspirituality thing which a lot of apparent ‘spiritual’ people appear to have gravitated towards, taking their new-agey language with them. See this article for more details on that.

However I also mostly dislike corporate-speak, so that doesn’t leave me too many options I suppose in this context. I think a new way of expressing ourselves in the Regenaissance needs to take shape, but we are still stuck in old paradigms verbally. Every time I write I try to feel into new ways of expression so I suppose I will continue to try to do that at least.

Maybe it is good to have a separate DHO presenting a more corporate-friendly face of SEEDS though. If that’s what it takes to get the currency widely accepted then it’s a small price to pay I think.

Love the conversation around language to be used. So so important because I feel there is more to it than just corporate-lingo or spiritual language. For me these are two entry points to a fast spectrum of vocabulary and emotions; all dependant on the value proposition SEEDS brings to a particular company and where they are located/rooted historically.

Also remembering Emily who provided her services to Samara who mentioned that she also enjoys booking by more corporates now.

But I also trust your observation and experience here @mbh66.

I guess all I am trying to say is that if we have a chance to transition to a more conscious corporate-speak, then THIS IS IT. :woman_juggling:t4:

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Yes, and of course all corporates are not the same. A friend of mine does ‘energy balancing work’ for a company so large you would be very surprised if I were able to reveal who it is (he asked me not to). But it’s not a Silicon Valley company or anyone you might suspect.

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